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Are Police Being Unfairly Vilified?

Do signs reading "Stop Police Violence" counteract community healing in the wake of Derrick Gaines' death?

On Wednesday afternoon, as friends and family of Derrick Gaines started to gather at the Arco gas station on Westborough Boulevard where he died Tuesday night for a vigil to mourn him, a woman walked by the makeshift memorial and removed a sign that read "Stop Police Violence."

The reaction was immediate: Gaines' friends, mostly teenagers, rushed toward the woman in anger; another person snatched the sign back. The teens shouted at the woman until Gaines' family members stepped in and asked them to fall back.

"We have to honor Derrick," said Gaines' mother, Rachel Guido Red. "We're not going to be violent." 

A South San Francisco police officer after he ran away from the officer and allegedly pulled a gun from his waistband. Since then, there has there has been an outpouring of grief for Gaines and for another violent teenage death in the community.

But at the same time, reactions have been mixed and heated. This can be seen , where some commenters have strongly criticized for police for what they call needless violence while others have defended police actions and questioned why a teenager would be armed.

In a recent email, a Patch reader called the "Stop Police Violence" sign "divisive" and said she had asked the Arco gas station owner to remove it (not wanting to get involved, he declined). She praised the SSFPD for its school liaisons and Police Explorers program that reach out to youth in the community.

This reader placed her own sign at the memorial, which can be seen at the top right. It contained messages of mourning, such as "God Bless Derrick & those who loved him!!" but also read: "We are NOT a community with police violence!!!! Let's wait for the investigation and instead say a prayer for Derrick & his family!!"

Her sign, along with others at the site, was removed.

What do you think? Do you think that police are being misrepresented in the wake of the shooting? Is it incendiary to criticize police, even harshly, or is it simply a part of grieving? Please share your thoughts in the comments below.

John Baker June 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm
There was a really stupid quote in the San Francisco Chronicle from one of Gaines' friends: "It's bull-- that the cop thought his life was in danger," said Jose Diaz, 23. "Come on, it's a 15-year-old kid with a handgun. He's a cop." <http://goo.gl/nzIbJ>
Apparently someone thinks a bullet fired by a 15-year-old (whose friends admitted in the same story that he carried a gun) is less dangerous than a bullet fired by an adult. It's this sort of victim mentality that confirms to me that police are being unfairly vilified here.
Jim C June 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm
A few points of clarification. I know the lady that made this sign and of her conversations with the owner of the Arco station.
1) When your story says that the station owner declined to take the "Stop Police Violence" sign down, it wasn't because he necessarily is taking the anti-police side. He simply didn't want to offend anyone while the family is still grieving. 2) When you say that the lady's yellow sign was removed, it sounds like the station owner took her sign down because he agrees with the "stop police violence" sign. In fact, her sign was taken down when ALL the other signs and candles were removed per orders from Arco corporate due to the fire danger at a gas station. Personally, I don't think the station owner should have allowed the sign up in the first place. I agree with this lady that it was divisive to our community. But in fairness to him, I didn't want the station owner to be be portrayed one way or the other.
Sue Peterson Pirazzi June 7, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Police need to defend themselves in the line of duty. It's a shame that a 15 year old has access to a gun in the first place. With all the killing in video games, tv, movies, etc. these days it doesn't hit home until it's real. This is a rude awakening that real guns mean people die. Anyone wondering how the officer who had to shoot this young person is feeling? I'm sure it wasn't any easy thing for him to do, but he probably saved someone else's life in his actions. If you knew this youth's troubled past, you would not be so quick to judge the officer's actions.
Tess June 8, 2012 at 12:19 am
Maybe not intentionally but yes, I believe our police force is being portrayed as "the bad guy". With so many journalists reporting the story why do 90% of the stories begin with "15yo Derrick Gaines, the teenage boy who was shot and killed ..." There are hundreds of ways to put forth the facts while staying neutral and that is not being done for this story. Comments made by family, friend, etc. are part of the story and should be reported when appropriate and in balance, in my opinion. The police cannot comment while the investigation is still going on so their silence or lack of comments is being filled with the family's opinion and point of view and this tilts the story to read very one sided. If so much time is being devoted to what the family and friends are saying maybe a thorough reporting of the family dynamics would answer the question everyone is asking - WHY would Derrick be packing a gun. Did the family own the gun, did they approve, why was he raised by his aunt and uncle? Who were his real friends and do they pack a gun as well? That would balance the story a bit more while we wait for the police to complete the investigation.
I think we have one of the finest police forces in the state and am grateful they are willing to be there for us, but my heart still hurts for Derrick and pray nothing like this ever happens agan.
Drew Himmelstein (Editor) June 8, 2012 at 12:22 am
Thanks for these clarifications. I didn't mean to imply those things, but I realize how the wrong implication could be taken. I'm going to clarify this in the story.
Stu June 8, 2012 at 02:31 am
Yes the police are being vilified. But it's primarily the ignorant and naive that do so, as they post immature comments on patch that lack common sense. We're a society that takes police for granted and just expects them to fix a problem we're having; to make it right when we feel we've been wronged; to protect us from danger by taking it on for us-no matter how risky. We expect them to make it better; now! Whenever someone has a problem, you routinely hear him or her say, "I'm calling the cops!" as if some super human Godlike robotic super-hero is going to appear and instantly fix whatever our problem. GREAT...until they don't like the outcome.
The officer voluntarily exposes himself to life threatening situations everyday to protect the rest of us from them. We want him to handle all of society's filth, but we insist that it be done in a way that is pretty; an impossible and unrealistic concept. People should be saddened by the tragic death of any youth, but they should be more responsible in how they point the finger of blame. If you run from a police officer, then get shot after you pull a pistol, as reported, it's not the officer's fault. He has a right to stay alive. A gun in the hands of a 15 yr old is no less deadly than if he was 18, and officers are killed almost daily throught the US for hesitating during a deadly threat. We should sympathize with the parents for their loss, but we should also sympathize with the officer who didn't ask for this.
Mike June 8, 2012 at 03:39 am
He made a decision to make a statement. He communicated that negative statement which suggested the incident was one in which the police acted inproperly. He did this prior to any conclusive investigation. Now He needs to live with the results. That business has lost at leat two customers, and hopefully even more.The community does not need irresponsible business owners in it, especially ones that promote things that at the present are simply not in the comunities best interest. In addition ARCO should be advised of his actions if in fact that has not yet been done as he personally placed Alantic Richfield Corp. in a position that suggest they as a corporation are taking a position that is one on of being less than neutral.
Jim C June 8, 2012 at 05:43 am
Mike, I had the same reaction as you when I first saw the sign.
But I want to make clear that the station owner didn't make "a decision to make a statement." Derrick was killed on the Arco station property and so some people decided to put up a memorial there. And one of those people put up the offending sign. This put the station owner in an untenable position. If he left the sign up, guys like you and I would boycott his station. If he took the sign down he would be portrayed as the heartless business owner.
Jim C June 8, 2012 at 05:45 am
Well said.
Concerned Citizen June 8, 2012 at 09:56 am
I couldn't have said it better myself.
David Johnson June 8, 2012 at 10:57 am
Very well said.
Susan Gonzales June 8, 2012 at 11:10 am
Well said John Baker
Thirty year resident June 8, 2012 at 11:13 am
A police officer has a gun pointed at them and they are supposed to consider "Is it loaded?", "Can I shoot at a 47degree angle to save my own life?", etc. etc.? You don't point a gun at a police officer, period. These folks are human beings...they protect white, black, blue, pink...Christians, Jews, Muslims,...why is a 15 year old walking around with a gun in our city??? Answer the question...these folks who are villifying the police are taking away the peace and security our families enjoy...
So. City Mom June 8, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I absolutely understand the out pouring of grief for Gaines. If this were one of mine my head would be spinning. That being said I need someone to make me understand how running from a Police Officer is a good idea. Someone please make me understand how any good can come from a teenager carrying a gun. Police officers are trained to protect. When someone pulls a gun, there is no time to say, “Wait, this is a teenager”. At that moment they see danger and are trained to react in order to protect the community at large. I think your Police Officers do a fantastic job. Remember there were recently 15 (or was it 19) people arrested in relation to a 2010 shooting in So. City.
Somom June 8, 2012 at 01:14 pm
Ok did the kid pull out the gun ? or did he ran and the officer saw the gun?
Mom working in law enforcement June 8, 2012 at 01:31 pm
I agree 100% very well said.
Jim C June 8, 2012 at 01:58 pm
Absolutely agree. Let's stay involved and support our police so the malcontents know that they are not welcome in SSF!
Drew Himmelstein (Editor) June 8, 2012 at 05:23 pm
Mike, I have to agree with Jim. I've spoken to the gas station owner several times, and he has made every effort to be extremely sensitive in a difficult situation that he was put into by chance. He took down ALL the signs and candles Wednesday night, partly because they were a fire hazard, but he was sure to take down all signs to be fair to everyone. He spoke to the family and they willingly removed the rest of the memorial last night. He also lost business by blocking off all of his pumps for a couple hours on Wednesday and one section of pumps during a smaller gathering yesterday. He told me, "I feel bad for the family, and I feel bad for the police."
Stu June 8, 2012 at 06:33 pm
Chief, you ARE supported. I don't see the chief as "blindly" defending anybody. But why shouldn't all of us be defending the officer's actions until something proves that we shouldn't? Why is it so difficult to recognize the concept of innocent until proven guilty? Do we not afford the police officer this concept? This doesn't apply to people who defend themselves? We were not witnesses to what happened, and we don't even know who the involved officer was, yet some blindly and broadly criticize the police, investigators, the judge, suggesting that they're all in cahoots before any findings have been officially made.Some seem to have already decided that the officer couldn't have been right in his actions. Some people simply have a negative view of police, any authority, and the enforcement of our laws in general, so no matter what the information is, they are not inclined to be open-minded. Those peoples' comments have to be taken with a grain of salt.
SSF Mom June 8, 2012 at 07:37 pm
Mike,
My initial reaction was the same as yours. In fact, upon seeing the sign on Wednesday morning, I called and threatened to distribute flyers to boycott his station. He told me that he didn't approve of the sign being placed up there, but he felt that he couldn't remove it... He said that emotions were high and people needed time to grieve and cool down. I then called the police department to voice my support and to ask if I could remove the sign myself. They said that in this country, we have freedom of speech. So I made my own sign (above). I have spoken to the Arco station owner many times in the last few days. He has been a part of our business community for 24 years. He appreciates our police officers and feels for the family. I think he was put in a hard position. The kids at the station went after the woman who removed the sign and I'd heard they threw rocks at someone else when he asked that the sign be removed. What could they have done to the station owner, his employees or property?
Stu June 8, 2012 at 08:10 pm
By your very question, you have just proved my point.
Mike June 9, 2012 at 12:37 am
As I understand the report the 15 year old took the weapon from his waist band while the officer was in foot pursuit. However, let's view it another way. Police officer is in a foot pursuit with a person (age not really important, but understand an adult is more likely to think before acting, and more likely to act more responsible). The officer sees that the "suspect" has what appears to be a firearm in their possession, and the officer believes the "suspect" is reaching for the firearm. The officer has only mili-seconds to react, and his failure to not draw and fire his weapon at the suspect may put his life as well as the life of any citizen in the area in great danger. If you are the officer what do you do? Do you wait or do you shoot? Do you run the risk of personal injury or death to yourself and possibably to a citizen(s) who you are sworn to protect and serve? Do you fire your weapon or wait to see what the armed suspect is going to do? If you've not decided to fire your weapon by now you or an innocent citizen would likely be dead. WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS GO BAD THEY GO BAD REAL FAST. Just a tad over 40 years ago I was working in law enforcement and I was placed in a similiar circumstance. I got lucky and so did the 13 year old kid that appeared to be grabbing for a firearm in his jacket. The kid even admitted to trying to "scare me". That was his and my lucky day. JUST an FYI I later changed my chosen career field.
Tess June 9, 2012 at 01:02 am
Wow Mike - you put me right there - right in the place where this officer must have been - and I would have done what he did. Sad? Of course.
Dee Dee June 10, 2012 at 05:29 am
I have a son that age. I know who his friends are. I know where he is, especially at night. He goes to school because it is expected of him. He comes home, relaxes for an hour, starts dinner and after dinner does homework. If he does so,ething after school, I know where he is at and with who. Now I know not all famiies are the same, but my question is - where were the parents & family that are grieving for him now. He was a "good kid" every one says. He had a gun, he didn't go to school, he hung out with questionable friends, he was known to the police. That this should happen to a child is unacceptable, but let's look at who let that child down. Family, friends, the public - we all are at fault.
Stu June 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Dee Dee, I agree with you until your last sentence because I wasn't at fault. I didn't even know him, nor was I responsible for him. Parents are responsible for how their kids are raised. Not teachers, not the police, not society. Period.
Tess June 12, 2012 at 12:02 am
Dee Dee - I agree with Stu. You were right on target until you say the "public - we are all at falt". Not true at all. The parents - who for unknown reasons did not riase Derrick but are here now claiming him - are the ones responsible for bringing him into the world and for his upbringing.
Dee Dee June 12, 2012 at 04:01 am
Someone knew he had a gun. Someone knew he was hanging out with the wrong kids. An acquaintance of my sons was drinking, doing drugs, cutting school. I sat down one day and talked to him without his Mom there (who had no idea what was going on because her husband ran out and left her with 3 kids and two jobs). I then met with his Mom and between the two of us, we tagged teamed him to keep him in line and I'm proud to say he went back to school, hasn't been in trouble in 2 yrs and has a 3.2 gpa. And all I can think of is what would have happened if that one person-me-had not stopped and taken an interest. That is what I mean by "all of us". Too many people who could make a difference in a childs life walk away. Not my problem, he has family, if his parents can't take of him, they shouldn't have had him. It comes down to the child needs help, and it wasn't his choice to be born. Imagine if we eached help a child early enough in their life to make a difference. Yes, there are bad kids, but most end up in trouble but don't know how to get out of it. It's just so sad.
Mike June 12, 2012 at 07:15 pm
I don’t agree with the perception that “we are all at fault". Those who had knowledge that this kid had a gun, or those individuals who should have known are at fault. They alone share in the culpability and guilt for his death. I believe the "it takes a village to raise a child" mentality is flawed. It takes a committed, morale, loving and at times strict parent to raise a child. I have two adult sons, and was not always popular with them. That was OK with me as I only wanted to be their father. My reward for what some might term “harshness” was that I have two sons who are responsible adults and good citizens. One is a home owner father of 4, who has advised me that if I wasn’t so “hard on him” he’d never had been as successful as he is. My other son is a US Marine Sargent with 8 years of service to our country to his credit. It was not the “system” or society that failed this kid; it was those who were charged with acting in his best interests. That would be his father and mother and the person who the parents delegated their responsibility to. When our sons and daughters are “out of our sight” and away from our influence no matter how good of a job we’ve done there is no guarantee they will act as we’d like them to. However, there is a great deal to be said about virtuous moral teachings, good disciplinary practices, and knowing who your son or daughter associate with. FYI: I was a self-supporting, single custodial parent.
Mike June 12, 2012 at 07:17 pm
I don’t agree with the perception that “we are all at fault". Those who had knowledge that this kid had a gun, or those individuals who should have known are at fault. They alone share in the culpability and guilt for his death. I believe the "it takes a village to raise a child" mentality is flawed. It takes a committed, morale, loving and at times strict parent to raise a child. I have two adult sons, and was not always popular with them. That was OK with me as I only wanted to be their father. My reward for what some might term “harshness” was that I have two sons who are responsible adults and good citizens. One is a home owner father of 4, who has advised me that if I wasn’t so “hard on him” he’d never had been as successful as he is. My other son is a US Marine Sargent with 8 years of service to our country to his credit. It was not the “system” or society that failed this kid; it was those who were charged with acting in his best interests. That would be his father and mother and the person who the parents delegated their responsibility to. When our sons and daughters are “out of our sight” and away from our influence no matter how good of a job we’ve done there is no guarantee they will act as we’d like them to. However, there is a great deal to be said about virtuous moral teachings, good disciplinary practices, and knowing who your son or daughter associate with. FYI: I was a self-supporting, single custodial parent.
drew September 19, 2012 at 03:06 am
There were no bullets and he tripped thats when he coulve caught caughr up to him and put him in juvy vut instead he shot him to death while he was on the ground

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